Curse

Yukito Kunisaki · Oct 21, 2005, 09:11 PM // 21:11

I've tested this build on small packs of griphons and minos, but it doesn't work NEARLY as well as my old Victory is Mine! Axe build... [that one can tank the whole damn map]

I'm wondering if this would be better in terms of versatility because my previous build using ViM!! seems to ONLY work in solo farming, not in a party build. [cause monsters will run past me no matter where my teammates are located] I'm hoping this build does fare better in a party situation.

16 axe [vs. my old 14]
10 curses
9 Tactics [vs my old 10 tactics]
used to have 8 strength but none of my skills need it so I chucked it
Mark of Pain ftw...

Cyclone Axe
Eviscerate {E}
Exe. Strike
Bonetti's Defense
Healing Signet
Enfeebling Blood
Shadow of Fear
Mark of Pain

I'm hoping that this would be better in a group scenario now that I use the elite combo standard. I lose Victory is MIne!! but in a party, I don't get 'perfect' mobbed so it's not as effective anyway.

Knido · Oct 21, 2005, 09:26 PM // 21:26

well i beleive that in PvE parties warriors are almost always supposed to be tanks, and this build seems to fit the glove with Enfeebling Bloow/ Shadow of Fear/ Bonettis Defense, but i (just me) probably would have switched out eviscerate for gladiators defense and turned my axe down to 12 and jacked up tactics

but i dont think i answered what you were asking, but the build seems good except that Mark of Pain might do that much if the monsters run past you like you said, unless your party stays bunched up. i would also probably use a different elite.

jesh · Oct 21, 2005, 09:54 PM // 21:54

I've also noticed that the ViM/Enfeebling Blood combo isn't as crazy when you're in a group.. because of the same reason you said. However... wouldn't 16 axe make you do more damage to the monster that has mark of pain, therefore getting less use of the spell? Just my thoughts.. right now I'm using something similair to what I designed for my brother.

Strength: 11+1+3
Swords: 8+1
Tactics: 8+3
Curses: 9

Healing Signet
Watch Yourself
Bonetti's Defence
Mark of Pain
Enfeebling Blood
Defy Pain {e}
Dolyak Signet
Flurry

I dropped Riposte and Deadly Riposte because nothing ever freakin' attacks me... melee guys, anyway. I guess I should probably drop some defensive skills too.. It seems like half of the time I'm easily outdoing the mobs, then, like just happened on THK, we got raped. I was the last alive, but we still didn't win. Not like it matters with no res signet.

Anyway.. flurry is hot with mark of pain, and I don't have much invested in my sword.. so everything around the target usually dies before the target does. (good thing)

I'm kind of at a standstill with my warrior, it's getting really tough to balance offense/defense correctly.

carnivore · Oct 21, 2005, 10:01 PM // 22:01

can you make a video of your old build? or post it? or did you already?

Yukito Kunisaki · Oct 22, 2005, 04:47 AM // 04:47

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Originally Posted by carnivore

can you make a video of your old build? or post it? or did you already?

No time to make a vid but here's my old build.

10+1+1 Axe
9+1 Tactics
7+1 Strength
10 Curses

Cyclone Axe
Dismember
Axe Rake
Bonetti's Defense
Victory is Mine! {E}
Plague Touch
Enfeebling Blood
Mark of Pain

carnivore · Oct 23, 2005, 11:32 PM // 23:32

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Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki

Plague Touch

?

and shouldnt enfeeble+ViM be enough for your health?

and really..how do you tank all of griffons with 1 heal every 15 secs?

Ghost. · Oct 23, 2005, 11:33 PM // 23:33

is this for a pvp build or pve build

?

Tevash Szat · Oct 24, 2005, 12:38 AM // 00:38

For your ViM build won't it be easier to use apply poison instead of enfeebling blood? I think it still works for all melee attacks, might be wrong on this. It would last longer and you can apply it to everyone by just using one cyclone axe. You might not kill as fast without mark of pain, but poison does egen too.

Yukito Kunisaki · Oct 24, 2005, 05:07 AM // 05:07

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Originally Posted by carnivore

?

and shouldnt enfeeble+ViM be enough for your health?

and really..how do you tank all of griffons with 1 heal every 15 secs?

Ah, that's a good question... ^_^

Say 20 griphons are pounding on my face. [I back up placing all of them on my front allowing my shield AL]

They're all suffering from Weakness. So the damage they're dealing me is in the lower double/single digits... I do ViM!! my hp bar is filled to the brim. [49hp per condition and there's 20 of them... yay]

I then do Cyclone Axe and then hide behind my Bonetti's Defense. Now we have 20 griphons missing me 75% of the time and when they hit, they're dealing negligible damage. Bonetti's last 9 seconds. Enfeebling Blood weakness lasts 15s. ViM! recharges every 15s. The recycle times allow for some awesome synergy. THAT'S how I stay alive.

carnivore · Oct 24, 2005, 07:07 PM // 19:07

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Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki

Ah, that's a good question... ^_^

Say 20 griphons are pounding on my face. [I back up placing all of them on my front allowing my shield AL]

They're all suffering from Weakness. So the damage they're dealing me is in the lower double/single digits... I do ViM!! my hp bar is filled to the brim. [49hp per condition and there's 20 of them... yay]

I then do Cyclone Axe and then hide behind my Bonetti's Defense. Now we have 20 griphons missing me 75% of the time and when they hit, they're dealing negligible damage. Bonetti's last 9 seconds. Enfeebling Blood weakness lasts 15s. ViM! recharges every 15s. The recycle times allow for some awesome synergy. THAT'S how I stay alive.

i see, but, still doesnt explain why you have deep wound and axe rake, along with plage touch

SCOTTYBONES · Oct 25, 2005, 03:58 AM // 03:58

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Originally Posted by carnivore

i see, but, still doesnt explain why you have deep wound and axe rake, along with plage touch

Dismember and axe rake just let you add more conditions (deep wound and cripple). Plaque touch could be used if your ran into rockshots due to there dust traps. One of my favorites is shadow of fear and I take this instead of plaque touch.

I sometimes have a problem keeping my health up, waiting for VIM to recharge. Any suggestions? I quess I could take healing signet or maybe a stance ( shield stance).

Yukito, I really like your W/N builds. Thanks.

Bones

Yukito Kunisaki · Oct 25, 2005, 04:50 AM // 04:50

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Originally Posted by SCOTTYBONES

Dismember and axe rake just let you add more conditions (deep wound and cripple). Plaque touch could be used if your ran into rockshots due to there dust traps. One of my favorites is shadow of fear and I take this instead of plaque touch.

I sometimes have a problem keeping my health up, waiting for VIM to recharge. Any suggestions? I quess I could take healing signet or maybe a stance ( shield stance).

Yukito, I really like your W/N builds. Thanks.

Bones

Welcome. And yes, you knew exactly what those skills were for... ^_^

carnivore · Oct 25, 2005, 07:02 PM // 19:02

i figured they were unneccessary. you got 30+ monsters with weakness already. shouldnt ViM give 50+ health for each monster?